Question bout Necrotic armor - Guild Wars Forums

Xeuro · Feb 17, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Yo, just firstly wanted to ask, with the 15k Necrotic armor, does the +5 to holy damage stack?

So for example, will i take +20 holy damage because of the four pieces or is it +5 regardless of how many pieces i have?

Celain · Feb 17, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

+20 ftl

Xeuro · Feb 17, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

ah man that blows...i really liked the look of the 15k Necrotic armor

Manic Smile · Feb 17, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

attacks are boxed right? so it'd be +5 for whatever piece hit, not global, go get a second opinion from someone who's tested it

unienaule · Feb 17, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

No, it's +5 each, globablly stacking. I have 3 pieces and it's +15 for me. As in, symbol of wrath does 22 + 15 = 37 damage.

Manic Smile · Feb 17, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

k, if you can't believe the mods who can you...that suck majorly btw

Former Ruling · Feb 17, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Good thing, especially in pve, there isn't much holy dmg being done.

Xeuro · Feb 17, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

well my necro is an MM for PvE and an Orders Necro for PvP...Haven't reallly done the PvP part yet but am working on it

So would i really face any holy damage in the PvE or PvP environment? I guess i really just dont know if there are smite teams in HA...

sledgeunderhill · Feb 17, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Holy Damage appears in several places in PvE.

All the Cacti (aloe seed variants) have some form of retribution or reflected holy damage. Several nightmares have holy damage. The Bane Signet attack by the Charr shamen are holy damage. Griffons in the Southern Shiverpeaks use AoE holy attacks.

These all have holy damage but can be avoided for the most part.

In PvP, I have limited experience, but it appears that smiting is on the rise.

This being said, my necromancer only has one set of armor - tormentors. If I were serious about taking them into PvP, I'd get a set of armor with piercing damage reduction for swap when facing rangers.

Haggard · Feb 17, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

its really not that bad, if something uses retribution or holy wrath, just use spells and dont staff/wand it, and you shouldnt be standing next to blessed griffons anyway. the +10 AL does really make up for it in my opinion

Dwiggit · Feb 17, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Just watch out for Judges Insight in PvP.

An E/Mo running air spike with Judges on is LETHAL to Necros with Necrotic.
(10% air penetration + 10% Judges penetration + holy damage = HOLY COW!)

500 hp down to zero in about 8 seconds.
I've experienced it on my Necro.

Dwig

Lord Iowerth · Feb 17, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by sledgeunderhill

This being said, my necromancer only has one set of armor - tormentors. If I were serious about taking them into PvP, I'd get a set of armor with piercing damage reduction for swap when facing rangers.

I'm sure sledge knows this, but as an FYI to anyone else reading this thread: Tormentor's is the same as Necrotic, in that you get added damage from holy attacks.

Also I think that monks should have an armor that has +damage to shadow/dark damage attacks to make it fair

but that's just me hatin' ...

sledgeunderhill · Feb 17, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwiggit

Just watch out for Judges Insight in PvP.

An E/Mo running air spike with Judges on is LETHAL to Necros with Necrotic.
(10% air penetration + 10% Judges penetration + holy damage = HOLY COW!)

500 hp down to zero in about 8 seconds.
I've experienced it on my Necro.

Dwig

Something is off about this statement:

Judges Insight gives 20% armor penetration on "attacks" - of which spells are not considered. Additionally, the armor penetration of some lightning spells is 25%. If an E/Mo was doing both, the penetration would not stack as the JI is not supposed to impact spells.

If stacking is actually occurring, then there are problems and inaccuracies in the spell descriptions.

However, a ranger doing the standard spike with JI on would be quite deadly vs a necromancer wearing these armor classes. That is why I suggested getting the other class armor for PvP, since rangers tend to be quite popular in the arenas.

boxterduke · Feb 17, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I also just have Tormentor and play my necro in pvp sometimes.
Very rarely you see holly damge there also.
So I guess it does not matter.

Xeuro · Feb 17, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

hmmm.... i still cant decide if i should switch to 15k Necrotic or just stick with my Fanatics (I am thinkin bout makin a new char so possibly ill just save the money for him).

Thx for all ur help guys

Carinae · Feb 17, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

There's no question, the +10AL is a huge help. You just need to be aware of the various enemy types and/or spells that deal Holy damage. In PvE, you don't need to change armor when facing these enemies, just be aware, and adjust your strategy accordingly.

In PvP, two (or more) sets of armor would be a good idea.

Feb 17, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30	#1
Xeuro Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/N	Question bout Necrotic armor Yo, just firstly wanted to ask, with the 15k Necrotic armor, does the +5 to holy damage stack? So for example, will i take +20 holy damage because of the four pieces or is it +5 regardless of how many pieces i have?

Feb 17, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#11
Dwiggit Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Heroes Unlimited (HaCK) Profession: R/Mo	Judges Insight can kill! Just watch out for Judges Insight in PvP. An E/Mo running air spike with Judges on is LETHAL to Necros with Necrotic. (10% air penetration + 10% Judges penetration + holy damage = HOLY COW!) 500 hp down to zero in about 8 seconds. I've experienced it on my Necro. Dwig

Feb 17, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47	#2
Celain Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006	+20 ftl

Feb 17, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#3
Xeuro Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/N	ah man that blows...i really liked the look of the 15k Necrotic armor

Feb 17, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58	#4
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	attacks are boxed right? so it'd be +5 for whatever piece hit, not global, go get a second opinion from someone who's tested it

Feb 17, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06	#5
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	No, it's +5 each, globablly stacking. I have 3 pieces and it's +15 for me. As in, symbol of wrath does 22 + 15 = 37 damage.

Feb 17, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10	#6
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	k, if you can't believe the mods who can you...that suck majorly btw

Feb 17, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#7
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Good thing, especially in pve, there isn't much holy dmg being done.

Feb 17, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36	#8
Xeuro Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/N	well my necro is an MM for PvE and an Orders Necro for PvP...Haven't reallly done the PvP part yet but am working on it So would i really face any holy damage in the PvE or PvP environment? I guess i really just dont know if there are smite teams in HA...

Feb 17, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59	#9
sledgeunderhill Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Gathering of Friends [GoF]	Holy Damage appears in several places in PvE. All the Cacti (aloe seed variants) have some form of retribution or reflected holy damage. Several nightmares have holy damage. The Bane Signet attack by the Charr shamen are holy damage. Griffons in the Southern Shiverpeaks use AoE holy attacks. These all have holy damage but can be avoided for the most part. In PvP, I have limited experience, but it appears that smiting is on the rise. This being said, my necromancer only has one set of armor - tormentors. If I were serious about taking them into PvP, I'd get a set of armor with piercing damage reduction for swap when facing rangers.

Feb 17, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14	#10
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	its really not that bad, if something uses retribution or holy wrath, just use spells and dont staff/wand it, and you shouldnt be standing next to blessed griffons anyway. the +10 AL does really make up for it in my opinion

Feb 17, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#14
boxterduke Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Walking the ruins of Ascalon Guild: DVDF Profession: Me/	I also just have Tormentor and play my necro in pvp sometimes. Very rarely you see holly damge there also. So I guess it does not matter.

Feb 17, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49	#15
Xeuro Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/N	hmmm.... i still cant decide if i should switch to 15k Necrotic or just stick with my Fanatics (I am thinkin bout makin a new char so possibly ill just save the money for him). Thx for all ur help guys

Feb 17, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#16
Carinae Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Inside Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	There's no question, the +10AL is a huge help. You just need to be aware of the various enemy types and/or spells that deal Holy damage. In PvE, you don't need to change armor when facing these enemies, just be aware, and adjust your strategy accordingly. In PvP, two (or more) sets of armor would be a good idea.